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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 27, 2007 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Studio productions extraordinaire

Who can doubt Jerry's abilities when listening to the first solo effort of 72? Amazing stuff. Proving that he could have done most anything the others could do..(who else is in this category? Paul McCartney overdubbing Ringo? Probably, he could pull it off...but who else?).

My question is, why did Torbert do the bass on Box? Why did Nelson do the guitar? I understand the contribution of Grisman, the mandolin...but why the others?

It is clear why Garcia did the pedal steel for Teach Your Children, but why would those others have contributed to American Beauty that were not (clearly) better musicians than those available? Or were they?

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Nov 27, 2007 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Studio productions extraordinaire

I can't answer this query with any real definitive authority, but I recall an interview with Jerry where he was describing the studio scene in those days in SF. He talked about there being three studios in the building,and it was a revolving door with regards to who was sitting in on any recording. If the Grateful Dead was working in studio 1 and Airplane in 2, you'd find they would be collaborating. It sounded very free form and akin to an "open marriage" kind of situation.

And to me, that sounds exactly how music should be made.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 27, 2007 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Studio productions extraordinaire

although it was never acknowledged in the album's credits, jerry produced a good bit of surrealistic pillow, maybe the airplane's best album.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 27, 2007 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ramrod...

Old news, but someone mentioned him below:

Lawrence 'Ramrod' Shurtliff: 1945-2006
Mainstay of Grateful Dead crew dies -- 'he was our rock'
Joel Selvin, Chronicle Senior Pop Music Critic

Thursday, May 18, 2006


He was a psychedelic cowboy who rode the bus with Ken Kesey and took virtually every step of the long, strange trip with the Grateful Dead. Known to one and all solely as Ramrod, he died yesterday of lung cancer at Petaluma Valley Hospital. He was 61.

"He was our rock," said guitarist Bob Weir.

Born Lawrence Shurtliff, he was raised a country boy in eastern Oregon and once won a county fair blue ribbon in cattle judging. He got the name Ramrod from Kesey while he was traveling through Mexico with the author and LSD evangelist, at the time a fugitive from justice.

"I am Ramon Rodriguez Rodriguez, the famous Mexican guide," he boasted, and he was known ever after as Ramrod.

"It fit him," said Steve Parish, his longtime associate on the Dead crew. "He used to keep us in line."

"I remember when he first showed up at 710 Ashbury," said Dead drummer Mickey Hart. "He pulled up on a Harley. He was wearing a chain with a lock around his waist. He said 'Name's Ramrod -- Kesey sent me -- I hear you need a good man.' I remember it like it was yesterday."

Ramrod joined the Dead in 1967 as truck driver and was held in such high regard by the members of that sprawling, brawling organization that he was named president of the Grateful Dead board of directors when the rock group actually incorporated in the '70s. It was a position he held until the death of guitarist Jerry Garcia in 1995. Like the rest of the band's few remaining staff, he was laid off last year.

He traveled the full length of the Dead's tangled odyssey, joining up with the band when the it first began playing out of town, about a year after the Dead got is start playing gin mills on the Peninsula.

Ramrod went to work setting up and tearing down the band's equipment for every show the Dead played. He puzzled his way through elaborate situations and circumstances: from the myriad psychedelic dungeons the band played through the '60s, to a concert at the base of the Great Pyramids in Egypt in 1977 to the baseball parks the Dead filled on the endless tours of the '80s and '90s up until Garcia's death.

"He was always there," said Hart, "making sure everybody was taken care of."

Hart said that it was Ramrod's practice to say "all right" at the conclusion of every performance as the band filed off the stage. "I looked forward to those 'all rights,' '' said Hart. "It was the way he said it. It was the tone that said it all -- 'it was all right ... not great.' You couldn't fool old Ramrod. I was playing for him."

Hart also remembered one New Year's Eve when he thought he might be too high to play. Ramrod solved the problem by strapping Hart to his drum stool with gaffer's tape. Hart recalled another show in San Jose with Big Brother and the Holding Company, where the starter's cannon the band used to punctuate the drum solo of "St. Stephen's" went off early.

"I looked back," Hart said. "His face was on fire. He'd lost his eyebrows. You could smell his flesh. And he was hurrying to reload the cannon in time. That was the end of the cannons."

A protege of Neal Cassady of the Merry Pranksters, the intrepid band of inner-space explorers who gathered around Kesey, Ramrod absorbed lessons from Cassady, a Beat era legend and model for the character Dean Moriarty in Jack Kerouac's landmark novel "On the Road." "He knew Neal better than anyone in our scene," said Weir.

He was a quiet, unflappable road warrior. Hart and fellow crew member Rex Jackson once decided to see how long it would take Ramrod to say something on a truck trip across the Midwest. He said nothing through three states before speaking. "Hungry?" he finally said.

"He was never a loudmouth," said Parish. "He was never anything but an honest, hard-working guy with a grip of steel and a hand that felt like leather."

He was first married to Patricia "Patticake" Luft -- their son is Strider Shurtliff, 38, of Los Angeles. His wife of the past 38 years, Francis Whalen, is recovering from an anoxic brain injury. Their son is Rudson Shurtliff, 34, of Novato.

A lifelong cigarette smoker, he was diagnosed with lung cancer only a few weeks ago. Typically, he didn't want anybody to know he was dying, although band and crew members visited him daily.

Guitarist Weir said he could barely remember the Dead before Ramrod. "When he did join up, it was like he had always been there. I won't say he was the missing piece, because I don't think he was missing. He just wasn't there. But then he was there. And he always will be. He was a huge part of what the Grateful Dead was about."

Parish said he and Weir left a recent visit from Ramrod's hospital bed. "Weir said 'They say blood is thicker than water, but what we've got is thicker than blood,' " said Parish.


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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 27, 2007 10:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ramrod...

"Hart also remembered one New Year's Eve when he thought he might be too high to play. Ramrod solved the problem by strapping Hart to his drum stool with gaffer's tape. Hart recalled another show in San Jose with Big Brother and the Holding Company, where the starter's cannon the band used to punctuate the drum solo of "St. Stephen's" went off early. "

1. That is hilarious. Ramrod was probably thinking, "fvck, if I don't strap Hart down he is going to wander off."

2. I don't remember ever hearing a starter cannon to kick off St. Stephen. Can anyone point to an example on the Archive? Paaaaaa-leeeeeeeease. I gotsta hear this.

3. Ramrod sounds like a couple of my friends from Eastern Oregon that given the right circumstances would fit the bill. "He said nothing through three states before speaking. 'Hungry?' he finally said." Classic country mindset of speaking only when necessary and you best listen up. Just like my Pops.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 28, 2007 12:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ramrod...

I don't think the cannon was ever used to start St Stephen, but in the middle, sounds like a gunshot when the band stops for a pause. I think it's in most '69 versions.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 28, 2007 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ramrod...

Ah--interesting. I have heard this and always assumed it was some amazingly powerful "rim shot" or such from one of the over-eager drummers...that could explain it.